So what are the parameters (no , I'm not going to listen to the podcast)? At least 2 drones on each side? Armed with non-suicide weapons? How autonomous do they have to be? Details, details.

I too would like to see some resolution criteria

Right, right

I mean 4 on each side seems like the bare minimum for a "swarm"

Going by the vibes of the conversation, I would say, each pilot must control at least 2 drones

I'm not sure about why non-suicide weapons would matter, suicide weapons seem like a good choice for a swarm of drones? But I'm ready to hear you out if you think it's important